Monetary Matters · · 1h 45m
"Coreweave's a Zero" | George Noble on Why He's Short Neoclouds, Why AI is a Shale 2.0 Bubble Headed for Debt/Depreciation Brick Wall, and Why He's "Coming For The Momentum Bros"
With George Noble
Summary
George Noble argues that the AI investment boom is a bubble financed by debt and expected future rounds rather than cash returns, comparing it to shale drilling and to past manias such as the South Sea bubble and the dot-com bust. He says falling compute and token prices combined with rising debt, subscription pricing well below cost, and weak enterprise adoption of frontier labs like OpenAI and Anthropic leave the economics unworkable, and that hyperscaler depreciation could exceed their profits. He is most bearish on CoreWeave, which he calls WeWork with GPUs and expects to go to zero absent a bailout, and he also shorts SpaceX and Tesla on valuation grounds, with Nvidia and Micron flagged as future shorts on margin normalisation. On the macro side he is bullish on gold and energy, including Schlumberger and SSR Mining, and bearish on bonds, the dollar and Treasury buybacks, expecting inflation and term-premium pressure and a tightening of global liquidity to hit overvalued high-beta names.
Key takeaways
- George Noble (bearish on CoreWeave): CoreWeave is a WeWork-with-GPUs; its equity is worth a fraction of today's price.
- George Noble (bearish on Tesla): Tesla has gone nowhere for five years and its valuation is unjustified; he is short it.
- George Noble (bearish on Space Exploration Technologies): SpaceX is the grossest overvaluation he has seen; he is short it.
- George Noble (bearish on CoreWeave): CoreWeave is a great short; its neocloud earnings are a temporary shortage windfall.
- George Noble (bearish on CoreWeave): CoreWeave is a zero absent a bailout, and many neoclouds are too.
What was said, by company and theme
42 views from 1 speaker. Every quote is checked against the episode's transcript (how).
CoreWeave
Across the shows: 44 speakers in other episodes, 11 bullish and 36 bearish calls, past 30 days
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
CoreWeave is a WeWork-with-GPUs; its equity is worth a fraction of today's price.
George describes CoreWeave as WeWork with GPUs. It borrows long-term to buy depreciating chips, the way WeWork borrowed to hold long leases, or Hertz to hold rusting cars. He says the GPU useful life is debatable, and a recession or faster chip obsolescence would hit used-chip values. Equity holds a thin slice of equity against a lot of debt. He says CoreWeave's debt yields about 7%, and at a 15% cost of equity the stock looks dreadful. Rising cost of capital makes the short better now than when he first recommended it. He also says if the credit is questioned, the equity can be marked at zero.
“I actually argue it's probably a better short than it was then because the cost of capital has gone up so enormously.”at 25:53
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
CoreWeave is a great short; its neocloud earnings are a temporary shortage windfall.
He calls neoclouds 'bottleneck bros' whose stock prices spike because of a compute shortage, and who then get valued on annualised peak-quarter earnings at about 100 times next year's earnings. He argues sustainable earnings power is perhaps 20% of what is being capitalised. At 50 times revenue or 20 times book value, he calls it a great short. He says he is short CoreWeave and could also short other neoclouds.
“Why would I short NVIDIA when I couldn't short the Neo Clouds? I could short CoreWeave.”at 43:24
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
CoreWeave is a zero absent a bailout, and many neoclouds are too.
Noble is highly confident CoreWeave goes to zero unless it is bailed out, and says the same of many neoclouds. He says he backs this with his own money, having shorted it. He ties the risk to the housing-bubble pattern: once the money spigot is turned off, growth slows, and highly valued companies are then exposed. He says the stock could bounce tactically, but that before the cycle ends CoreWeave will be much lower.
“I'm highly confident that Core Weave, short of a bailout, is a zero as are many of the Neo Clouds.”at 1:27:48
Space Exploration Technologies
Across the shows: 27 speakers in other episodes, 21 bullish and 8 bearish calls, past 30 days
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
SpaceX is massively overvalued at over 100x sales; a short that will prove hugely profitable.
George says SpaceX trades at roughly 100 to 120 times sales, with a market cap above $2 trillion. He values Starlink at about $300 to $400 billion and the rocket business at a few tens of billions, so the rest is a cash-flow-negative AI bet that the market cannot justify. He adds that a large share unlock is coming, and that a company valued this high cannot grow into its valuation. He calls the proposed SpaceX-Tesla merger committee 'happy talk' and says a SpaceX short will be hugely profitable over time.
“I think the fullness of time shorting SpaceX is going to be hugely profitable.”at 30:44
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
SpaceX is the grossest overvaluation he has seen; he is short it.
He compares SpaceX's valuation with what its reported earnings would support. Annualising Jack Farley's quarterly figures (roughly $5bn adjusted EBITDA and $431m GAAP superintelligence revenue) gives about $20bn, far below the roughly $2.2 trillion valuation he cites. He argues the valuation is a sum-of-the-parts fantasy and that it is fuelled by irresponsible monetary policy. He says he is short SpaceX and has lost money on it.
“...this is like the biggest, this is the grossest overvaluation at scale I've ever witnessed in my life, all fueled by irresponsible monetary policy.”at 42:23
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
SpaceX trades at absurd multiples; investors buy the story at a price-to-sales of 200.
Noble says many investors buy space exploration as a story without knowing what they own. They buy SpaceX at a P/E of one and a price-to-sales multiple of 200. He calls this madness and says normalising at 50 times revenue would show the market is broken, with too much money chasing narratives.
“Oh, space exploration is cool. SpaceX is the future. But they're saying that when the stock's on a PE of one, price of sales of 200. Like it's madness.”at 1:22:36
Tesla
Across the shows: 14 speakers in other episodes, 13 bullish and 7 bearish calls, past 30 days
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
Tesla's roughly $1.5 trillion value is unjustified by its cumulative profits of about $38 billion.
George says Tesla has made about $38 billion of cumulative profits, despite billions in emissions and tax credits. Its best year was about $15 billion, and sales are now declining. In a chart exercise, he hid the company name and asked analysts to value the profit history, and their estimates were in the $150 to $300 billion range, far below Tesla's market cap. He treats Tesla and SpaceX as inextricably linked and describes the merger talk as two overpriced companies holding each other up.
“They've made $38,000,000,000 cumulatively. That's despite billions and billions and billions of emission credits and tax credits.”at 32:50
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
Tesla has gone nowhere for five years and its valuation is unjustified; he is short it.
Tesla's stock has been unchanged for five years while the market rose sharply, so owning it has been a bad investment, while his short taken at the end of last year is up about 20-25%. He argues Tesla trades at about 14 times revenue, while an ex-growth auto company should trade near one times sales. He also says Musk has never earned his cost of capital except in one year, so the valuation is not supported by economics, and that accounting loopholes and unenforced rules let the market price this anyway.
“The last five years, Tesla has done nothing. It's unchanged while the market skyrocketed. Owning Tesla for the last five years has been a bad investment decision.”at 40:37
Oracle
Across the shows: 16 speakers in other episodes, 0 bullish and 16 bearish calls, past 30 days
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
Oracle's debt-funded AI buildout is raising creditors' worries about repayment.
George says some creditors involved in CoreWeave and Oracle are starting to worry whether they will be repaid. He says if the credit is in doubt, the equity can be marked at zero. He also questions Oracle's leadership, asking whether CEOs fall victim to the same things retail investors do, and says Oracle may be over-expanding and struggling to keep up with its debt.
“some of the folks involved in the [CoreWeave] and Oracle and all the other assorted garbage are starting to worry whether they're not gonna get paid back.”at 18:46
Anthropic
Across the shows: 41 speakers in other episodes, 24 bullish and 42 bearish calls, past 30 days
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
Anthropic's annualised run-rate revenue claims are misleading and should be dismissed.
Anthropic and OpenAI claim a $50bn revenue run-rate, which is simply the latest week's revenue annualised. He says that is meaningless and that it preys on ill-informed investors. Using Jack Farley's example, a quarter's revenue annualised says nothing about sustainable value. He dismisses such proclamations out of hand as a red flag for valuations.
“Anthropic or OpenAI and they say, oh, well, you know, we realized a run rate of revenue of $50,000,000,000. ... It should be illegal to say that because you're preying on ill informed investors.”at 38:53
OpenAI
Across the shows: 21 speakers in other episodes, 10 bullish and 16 bearish calls, past 30 days
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
OpenAI's annualised run-rate revenue claims are misleading and should be dismissed.
OpenAI and Anthropic claim a $50bn revenue run-rate, which is simply the latest week's revenue annualised. He says that is meaningless and that it preys on ill-informed investors. Using Jack Farley's example, a quarter's revenue annualised says nothing about sustainable value. He dismisses such proclamations out of hand as a red flag for valuations.
“Anthropic or OpenAI and they say, oh, well, you know, we realized a run rate of revenue of $50,000,000,000. ... It should be illegal to say that because you're preying on ill informed investors.”at 38:53
Micron Technology
Across the shows: 11 speakers in other episodes, 5 bullish and 5 bearish calls, past 30 days
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBearish
Micron is over-earning on peak memory margins; he would be short, not long.
Micron's current earnings reflect an unsustainable peak. An 85% gross margin is not normal, and a single-digit P/E on those earnings is misleading. He expects margins to normalise, sooner rather than later, once excess returns get competed away, as happened in shipping. He is not short Micron today only because he prefers CoreWeave.
“Micron just is a company that's over earning. ... But I wouldn't own micro. I put a gun in my head, I'd be short.”at 46:17
SSR Mining
Across the shows: 1 speaker in other episodes, 1 bullish and 0 bearish calls, past 30 days
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBullish
SSR Mining is his favourite gold-miner name after a strong rebound.
Gold miners sold off and then rebounded strongly, and he calls SSR his favourite name among them. His broader gold thesis, that currency debasement will drive gold higher, supports the miners. He says his fund has done well this year in part because of gold and precious metals.
“Some of the stocks after they went down, they rebounded nicely. SSR has been my favorite name.”at 55:26
SLB
Across the shows: 1 speaker in other episodes, 1 bullish and 0 bearish calls, past 30 days
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBullish
Schlumberger is a strong buy; its data-center business could justify the whole market cap.
Noble says he loves Schlumberger and owns it, and that energy as a group should do very well. He relays Robert Mullen's argument that SLB is one of the best AI plays. Mullen says the company owns a large inventory of data and has a data-center construction subsidiary worth about $3 billion. Noble adds that valuing that data-center piece on comparable multiples could be worth the whole market cap.
“So I love Schlumberger. It's not the only stock I own, but I think energy as a group is gonna do incredibly well.”at 1:09:43
Southwest Airlines Co.
George Noble · Noble Capital AdvisorsBullish
Southwest is a self-help turnaround with cheap EV/sales and an activist; thesis still intact.
Noble's paid-subscriber pick in January was Southwest. He cites a self-help story: dropping the middle seat and charging for bags, a margin a fraction of Delta's or United's, and a cheap EV/sales multiple. Elliott Management is an activist in the stock. The position is roughly flat, down about 5%, and he says it is the only one of his recent picks that has not worked.
“Self help story, they're getting rid of the middle seat, they're charging for bags, the margins are a fraction of Delta United, BB to sales is really cheap.”at 1:21:14
AI infrastructure & data centers
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Hyperscaler earnings will turn negative by 2030 as AI depreciation exceeds all their profits.
George assumes hyperscalers will have about $2.5 trillion of AI chips and infrastructure assets by 2030. On that basis, depreciation will run above $500 billion a year, which exceeds all the profits of the hyperscalers. He says this makes the balance sheets 'hemorrhaging badly', because the debt commitments and depreciation charges are real regardless of how revenue develops.
“do you realize hyperscaler earnings will turn negative in 2030? ... depreciation is going to be running over $500,000,000,000 That exceeds all the profits of all these guys.”at 11:38
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
AI's addressable market is a fraction of what most people think it is.
George says the addressable market for AI is a fraction of what people think. He bases this on the gap between the subscription market at $20 a month and the much smaller market at the $200 cost-based price. He argues that enterprise customers such as banks and industrials are unlikely to buy directly from the labs, so the total market is smaller than the valuations imply.
“the addressable market for this thing, in my opinion, is a fraction of what people think it is.”at 13:06
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Markets will reward AI capex cuts, and that will collapse the AI spending trade soon.
George argues that the market has punished companies for spending more on data centers, reading the spending as overreach or competitive fear. He expects that a CEO who cuts back and says so will be rewarded with a higher stock price, because the market sees the spending as unprofitable. That reversal would cause the whole AI spending trade to collapse, which he thinks is coming soon.
“maybe we should stop expanding and the stock price goes up because they make an announcement of cutting back, the whole thing just collapses. And I think that's coming soon with theater near you.”at 20:40
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
AI capex is a shale-style treadmill: demand is temporary, while debt and depreciation are permanent.
Noble compares AI spending to shale drilling: producers must keep drilling to offset depletion, and no one can stop first. AI firms likewise keep spending because they fear losing to rivals, and a prisoner's dilemma makes a car crash almost certain. He cites shipping as an analogy. Buyers rent capacity at peak prices, which are temporary, but the capital cost, depreciation and interest on borrowed money are permanent. Once supply catches up with demand, pricing becomes marginal and the heavily indebted owners are left with the costs. He says he actually believes this.
“what if I told you AI is shale? You gotta keep spending. My CapEx is bigger than yours because if you stop spending, you're gonna lose to me. And if we stop spending, we're gonna lose to Chinese.”at 1:16:55
US stock market outlook
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Central banks will not rescue risk assets with rate cuts; the backstop is not coming.
He says the policy put for risk assets will not come. If an AI capex bust happened and a recession followed, the deficit would explode, so bonds might not rally much. Rate cuts will not save equities. He credits Michael Howell's view that global liquidity is tightening and excess liquidity is fading, which he thinks is the right framework for risk assets.
“They're not gonna rescue you. They're not gonna bail you out. ... We got your back. That ain't happening.”at 1:00:24
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Index is dominated by tech, so the best opportunities lie outside the S&P 500.
Tech is about 40% of the S&P 500 and the index is correlated with tech, while energy is only about 3.4%. Big managers are forced to focus on relative weights, such as Apple versus Nvidia, rather than the best ideas. He compares this to Japanese banks in the 1980s, when owning them was forced by index weight. He says this is a golden age of stock picking and that shorts exist in large index parts.
“I'm telling you the opportunities lie outside the indices.”at 1:06:08
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Market breadth is terrible; a few names prop up the indices while most stocks fall.
Noble says breadth has been horrible: the average stock is down roughly 20%, and 30-40% of stocks are down. The indices have been held up by a few names. He says that without those names, markets are not doing well, and that the average stock looks like it is in its own bear market. This makes long picks in the average stock hard. He notes seasonality might help, but says he expects the opposite to happen.
“market breadth has been horrible. The average stock is down, whatever it is, 20%. The percentage of stocks are down 30, 40%.”at 1:20:25
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Government is intervening to prop up oil and stocks; volatility rises once the election passes.
Noble argues the US government has an unusually strong incentive to meddle in markets because the table stakes are high. He says it has tried to hold oil prices down through SPR releases, and to keep the stock market up. Those efforts have had limited success. He expects the incentive to fade once the election is over, and says that will let volatility pick up. He describes himself as an investor, not a trader, and says he holds energy stocks.
“they've put their finger on oil prices, trying to keep them down... And I think they've tried to keep the stock market up.”at 1:29:17
AI bubble & tech valuations
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
AI is a bubble; no one has shown him the return on AI investment.
George argues AI investment is a bubble. He says no one has shown him the ROI, and when he reduces AI to unit economics 'the numbers don't add up.' He compares it to the South Sea bubble, the dot-com bust and the US housing bubble. He says AI spending is cash-flow negative and funded on the expectation of ever-higher rounds rather than cash returns, a greater-fool setup. He adds that price appreciation for AI-related assets has started slowing meaningfully, which tightens capital flows and slows growth.
“I think what I'm troubled by with AI bubble... That is a bubble. No one could show me the ROI.”at 2:09
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
AI and tech stocks are a bubble driven by endless money printing and narratives.
Investors, including large institutions, are chasing narratives and dreams. Endless money printing has fuelled the whole AI boom, so the market is broken and rewards hype. He cites the market's move to a national gambling pastime, with stocks priced on beats and whisper numbers rather than sustainable earnings. He says AI stocks are priced for a bright future that he does not believe in.
“They're chasing narratives and dreams. And the problem is, is we have this endless money printing that's fueled this whole thing.”at 34:24
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Highly valued tech is vulnerable when the money spigot turns off; AI looks like a housing-style bubble.
Noble says the likelihood that 'what hits the fan' is extremely high. He ties this to the housing bubble: when the money spigot is turned off, growth slows, and highly valued companies become a real problem. He says technology looks vulnerable. Outside a handful of large stocks, he notes that the average stock is in its own bear market. He gives no specific timeframe.
“I think the likelihood that, what hits the fan is extremely high. ... when the money spigot starts to get turned off, growth slows. And when you're highly valued, that's a real problem.”at 1:28:09
AI pricing & unit economics
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
AI compute and token prices are collapsing while AI company balance sheets deteriorate.
George says the industry's costs are collapsing and compute and token pricing is falling at a breathtaking rate. Every week a model comes out that is half as expensive as the prior one. At the same time, AI companies' balance sheets are deteriorating just as fast, with debt rising. Falling prices combined with rising debt is, in his view, the core problem with the AI business.
“costs are collapsing and the pricing on compute and tokens is collapsing at a breathtaking rate.”at 4:24
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
AI subscriptions are underpriced; at true unit cost, the $200 tier's addressable market is a fraction of $20's.
George says AI labs sell consumer subscriptions at about $20 a month, but the cost of compute and energy implies a price closer to $200. Few people would pay $200 a month, so the addressable market at the real price is a small fraction of the market at $20. He concludes that the revenue is being sold below cost, like 'anyone can sell dollar bills for 20 cents.' He also says marginal costs eventually have to be charged, as with ride-hailing and delivery apps after their IPOs.
“sources I've read, they're selling stuff for $20... And you do the unit economics, should be like $200.”at 15:24
AI chips & semiconductors
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Chip makers' monopoly-level profits will fade within a couple of years; semis are a no-fly zone.
Semiconductor gross margins are far above their long-run average, 85% at Micron, and that is not normal. Chinese and Japanese advances and reports out of Korea will erode the monopoly profits. He is highly convinced these profits will not last a couple of years, so semis are a no-fly zone, with selective shorts possible. He compares semis to shipping, where supply responds to windfall profits.
“I'm highly convicted that these monopoly profits will not be with us within a couple of years. ... So to me, semis are the no fly zone.”at 50:05
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Chip pricing will collapse as supply catches up; semis likely make new cycle lows by year-end.
Noble says semiconductor pricing will collapse at some point, whether now, next quarter or in two years. Chip makers with big fixed costs must keep running and sell at any price, and marginal pricing will take over once supply catches up with demand. Near term, after nine straight down days, he allows that semis could bounce for a week or two. He argues that waterfall declines come from oversold conditions that fail to bounce. He expects a rollover and new cycle lows by the end of the year.
“What if Semi's bounced for a week or two and that's all she writes. And the next thing it rolls over. And by the end of the year, we're at new cycle lows.”at 1:36:12
US Treasuries & yields
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
He is bearish on bonds; yields will rise meaningfully on fiscal and term-premium concerns.
He has been routinely bearish on bonds for years and still is. Irresponsible spending meets a global capex boom, including AI, alternative energy and more. Yield increases reflect the term premium and doubts about future fiscal sustainability rather than inflation alone. Real rates are high by post-GFC standards but still too low given speculation. He expects rates to go meaningfully higher, though a recession could briefly help bonds.
“I think bond yields, I've been readily, routinely bearish on bonds last few years. I still am. ... the rates will still go to be going meaningfully higher.”at 56:58
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Bessent's bond-buying plan is a water gun that cannot tame the bond market; short bonds.
Noble says that when Treasury Secretary Bessent announced doubled bond purchases, he was the only person who correctly called the bond sell-off, with a short-bond call made around 4.65%. He calls the buying plan a water gun and says Bessent is thoroughly misguided. He argues the government has been trying to tame the bond market, and that the program is far too small to do it.
“Everyone's chirping away about Scott [Bessent]... He brought a water gun to the fight.”at 1:29:41
Oil & fuels
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Energy is cheap and under-supplied, so he is bullish; gold-oil ratio implies crude near $200.
His bullishness on energy rests on fundamentals, not the Strait of Hormuz conflict, which is a short-run factor and would reverse if peace broke out. Demand is robust, the world is not finding enough oil, and energy stocks are cheap relative to the market and to other assets. Historically gold has been about 20 times oil, so with gold at $4,000 that ratio places crude near $200.
“the real reason for being bullish energy has to do with, as I said, we're not finding enough of it. The energy stocks are also very cheap.”at 1:07:37
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Energy prices are sustainably higher; energy will beat the S&P over three years.
Noble argues that the world needs energy and that about 5% of production depletes each year, so incentive pricing is required to find more. Global energy capex fell sharply over 15 years, so the market must make up for underinvestment. The Permian growth story is also running out, and he says the shale bull case has been wrong before. He notes that deferred oil contracts have started to rise, which signals where the market expects prices to go. He admits short-run prices could fall, but says the long-run case is strong. He says he is bullish on energy as a group and owns energy stocks.
“I think the opposite is true with crude. I think energy prices are sustainably higher.”at 1:20:10
Credit markets
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Global cost of capital is rising, and the most leveraged AI players will be shot first.
George says that when free money ends, the most leveraged, least efficient producers, which have done best so far, will be the first to fail. As the tide goes out and the global cost of capital rises, the leveraged AI players are exposed. He connects this to rising debt costs for CoreWeave and other neoclouds.
“But when the tide goes out and globally, the cost of capital is rising... those are the guys who get shot first.”at 3:47
Open-source AI models
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Chinese open-weight models deliver AI at about 95% lower cost than US closed models.
George says the Chinese can do the same work for 95% less using open models. He uses this to argue that the price of AI is collapsing, which hurts the economics of the closed US labs charging for access.
“Yet the Chinese can do it all for 95% less with their open models.”at 4:54
Frontier AI labs & model race
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
AI labs' revenue growth is slowing rapidly, and the market rejected OpenAI's accounting explanation.
George points to OpenAI postponing its IPO to 2027 and to talk of slowing revenue growth at Anthropic. He cites a recent OpenAI revenue miss, which the company blamed on a gross-versus-net accounting change, and says the market was not convinced. He argues growth rates of 45% don't matter when a company is valued at $1.5 to $2 trillion on $50 to $70 billion of revenue, and that the slowdown is what drives capital flows.
“And if you look at these companies, the revenue growth is slowing rapidly.”at 8:25
Enterprise AI adoption & AI software
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Large industrial companies won't become customers of Anthropic or OpenAI because of compliance and data risks.
George says a buy-side industrials analyst friend asks companies what they are doing with AI and almost universally they will not become customers of Anthropic or OpenAI. They cite compliance and data issues, and see sending trade secrets to an outside model as unacceptable. George uses this to argue that the enterprise revenue many expect from banks and large industrials, such as Pfizer, Boeing and GE, will not materialise.
“None of them are gonna become customers of Anthropic or OpenAI because of the compliance and data issues involved.”at 17:01
US deficit & government debt
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Deficits look harmless until the bond market stops tolerating them, and that point is near.
Deficit concerns have been wrong for twenty years, but at a certain point they start to matter, like a reservoir draining. The thermometer is the bond and credit markets. Foreign buyers have been net sellers, Japanese buyers have stepped back, and the political climate brings bailouts and checks. He argues this will be a problem once markets stop tolerating the borrowing. A recession would also blow out the deficit.
“At a certain point, it starts to matter. ... the thermometer here is the bond market, the credit markets. As long as the markets will tolerate this, okay, keep doing it.”at 54:13
Gold & precious metals
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Gold will rise because central banks are debasing money and must resume printing.
Gold is a means of preserving real wealth as money is debased. He expects governments to be forced to run the printing presses again because the system cannot tolerate high rates and deficits. Gold is an insurance policy against central-bank stupidity, not a yield-producing asset, and its rise reflects falling money value. He admits gold has not done well this year but still expects it to rise.
“We are destroying the value of money, which is why gold with more than anything, it's a means of preserving your wealth in real terms. So I think the price of gold is going to go up.”at 55:22
US dollar
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
All fiat currencies, including the dollar, are in terminal decline and losing value.
The dollar and other fiat currencies have collapsed at an accelerating rate, and the dollar has lost about 98% of its value over a hundred years. Its moves against the euro or yen are the wrong unit of account. Its value has also rested on US defence and the policeman-of-the-world role, which is weakening. Low-cost drones and unreliable allies show that the backing is eroding, so all fiat money is in terminal decline.
“The dollar, and for that matter, all fiat currencies have collapsed at a particularly accelerating rate the last couple of years.”at 56:02
US inflation
George Noble · Noble Capital Advisors
Inflation is sticky and will not fall to the Fed's target; the risk is inflation, not recession.
The Fed has missed its inflation target for roughly 66-67 months, and inflation is sticky and not coming down. He rejects the view that rate rises are just a reaction to an inflation surge. He sees the rise in yields as term-premium and fiscal driven. He says the risk right now is inflation rather than recession, so bonds are no longer a reliable hedge against a stock sell-off.
“I think it's gonna be hard for inflation to come down to where people think it should. ... inflation is sticky. It's not coming down.”at 57:31
Across the shows
What other episodes Chorus covered said about the same companies in the 30 days up to this one.
- CoreWeave44 speakers · 11 bullish, 36 bearish calls
- Anthropic41 speakers · 24 bullish, 42 bearish calls
- Space Exploration Technologies27 speakers · 21 bullish, 8 bearish calls
- OpenAI21 speakers · 10 bullish, 16 bearish calls
- Oracle16 speakers · 0 bullish, 16 bearish calls
- Tesla14 speakers · 13 bullish, 7 bearish calls
- Micron Technology11 speakers · 5 bullish, 5 bearish calls
- SLB1 speaker · 1 bullish, 0 bearish calls
- SSR Mining1 speaker · 1 bullish, 0 bearish calls
Topics
- AI bubble
- AI bubble risk
- AI debt financing
- AI equity valuations bubble
- AI lab revenue growth
- SpaceX valuation
- Tesla valuation vs profits
- Tesla valuation vs returns
- Treasury bond buybacks
- addressable market size
- airline turnaround
- bond yields and term premium
- chip vendor financing and earnings quality
- cost of capital
- data center capex
- deficit and bond-market tolerance
- dollar debasement and reserve status
- enterprise adoption of frontier labs
- gold as hedge against currency debasement
- gold miner performance
- government market intervention
- hyperscaler depreciation
- index concentration and stock picking
- market breadth
- memory margins and earnings normalization
- neocloud business model
- neocloud valuation
- neocloud valuation and earnings power
- oil price outlook
- oil supply underinvestment and cheap energy stocks
- oilfield services
- open model cost
- policy backstop for risk assets
- revenue run-rate claims
- semiconductor cycle
- semiconductor margins normalization
- sticky inflation
- subscription pricing
- token and compute prices
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