Eurodollar University · · 23 min
Airlines Just Sent a TERRIFYING Warning About the Economy
With Steve Van Metre
Summary
Jeff Snider and Steve Van Metre argue that airline distress is an early warning of an energy-driven downturn. Snider points to JetBlue, whose loyalty-backed bonds fell from about 80 to 40 cents on the dollar and whose stock hit its lowest level since its 2002 IPO, and to Wizz Air, which is cutting winter capacity and offering pilot buyouts in response to a sharp fuel-price rise. Both see airline capacity cuts as demand destruction, with wealthy travelers still spending while lower-income customers cannot absorb higher fares. The pair links higher oil prices to rising costs and weaker consumer spending, and they warn that the widening gap between CCC and investment-grade credit spreads could spread to equities through the VIX. Van Metre argues that layoffs may be replaced by attrition and buyouts that hide weakness from unemployment data, and that the retail sales headline is inflated by gasoline.
Key takeaways
- Steve Van Metre on Airlines & aviation: Airlines cannot pass fuel costs to consumers, so they are cutting unprofitable capacity.
- Jeff Snider on Airlines & aviation: Rising fuel costs are shrinking airline capacity and demand, not just squeezing margins.
- Jeff Snider (bearish on Wizz Air Holdings Plc): Wizz Air's winter capacity cuts and pilot buyouts signal weak spring demand ahead.
- Jeff Snider (bearish on JetBlue Airways): JetBlue's loyalty-backed bonds at 40 cents signal the market expects it may not survive.
- Steve Van Metre on US jobs & labor market: Energy-shock recessions may avoid mass layoffs, with attrition and buyouts doing the job.
What was said, by company and theme
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Wizz Air Holdings Plc
Jeff Snider · Atlas FinancialBearish
Wizz Air's winter capacity cuts and pilot buyouts signal weak spring demand ahead.
Wizz Air, facing what it calls an unprecedented rise in fuel prices, is cutting winter capacity and offering buyouts to pilots at its main UK base. Snider reads this as demand destruction. He says it implies the airline does not expect spring travel to recover, which means a bigger winter trough and a weaker spring rebound. He presents it as an early example of an energy shock shrinking productive capacity. He also notes Wizz serves price-sensitive travelers who cannot absorb higher fares.
“when you offer buyouts to pilots... what you're really saying is we don't expect... the spring travel season to come back.”at 3:49
JetBlue Airways
Jeff Snider · Atlas FinancialBearish
JetBlue's loyalty-backed bonds at 40 cents signal the market expects it may not survive.
JetBlue's stock hit its lowest level since its 2002 IPO. Bonds backed by its loyalty-program receivables fell from about 80 cents on the dollar in early October to about 40 cents. Snider says that price is normally associated with severe financial distress. Because the bonds are collateralized by loyalty-program receivables, he argues the market is pricing in a collapse of the loyal customer base before maturity. He concedes markets can be wrong but says the bond price implies a high expectation that JetBlue will not be in business.
“40¢ on the dollar is a high expectation that JetBlue is not gonna be in business.”at 8:39
Airlines & aviation
Steve Van Metre · Steven Van Metre Financial
Airlines cannot pass fuel costs to consumers, so they are cutting unprofitable capacity.
Van Metre argues that when airlines say they are absorbing higher prices, it is not because consumers can afford them. Airlines know what each seat costs, and raising fares about 10% would leave empty seats. Their response is to cut capacity and drop unprofitable flight legs. He notes that much of the earlier travel demand was prepaid before fuel prices rose, which supports the view that the margin squeeze is real.
“when you start hearing a business say, we're trying to absorb higher prices, it isn't because consumers can afford it.”at 2:30
Jeff Snider · Atlas Financial
Rising fuel costs are shrinking airline capacity and demand, not just squeezing margins.
Snider argues that airline fuel costs are producing demand destruction: airlines cut productive capacity because they know their business, and the result is fewer flights rather than layoffs. Premium and business travel have held up because wealthy customers are still spending on a strong stock market. Airlines serving the bottom of the income distribution cannot raise fares to pass on fuel costs, so some routes are no longer profitable to fly. He reads the capacity cuts as a sign that airlines expect a weaker spring season.
“Yeah, that's the thing. It's demand destruction. Productive capacity shrinks because they know the business.”at 3:15
Credit markets
Jeff Snider · Atlas Financial
Junk spreads have blown out while investment-grade spreads stayed calm, an unusually wide divergence.
CCC spreads are at roughly 1340 to 1350 basis points and screaming for attention. Investment-grade spreads, however, have stayed relatively calm. Snider says the ratio between CCC and investment-grade spreads has blown out to an unprecedented level, because investors treat junk-company stress as isolated while still believing the broader economy is resilient. He argues that this divergence is unsustainable and that investment-grade spreads, which correlate strongly with the VIX, are beginning to rise. He adds that if they converge with junk, that would signal trouble.
“CCC spreads, as I mentioned, those are through the roof... But investment grade spreads have been relatively calm and tame.”at 15:55
Steve Van Metre · Steven Van Metre Financial
Credit stress from weak consumer spending could spread up the ratings ladder, from CCC to AAA.
Van Metre argues that credit stress is not yet visible in investment-grade spreads, because spending is still holding up. If consumer spending pulls back, bondholders will question whether debt gets repaid. He compares the spreads to the Jenga tower in The Big Short: one tranche fails, the next one follows, and eventually even AAA is affected. He expects spreads to widen across BB and possibly into A as people question whether the resilient economy and high rates can coexist with high energy prices.
“This tranche goes bad. Well, then the next one's probably going to go bad. Then somehow you get down to AAA.”at 19:58
US consumer
Jeff Snider · Atlas Financial
A K-shaped economy: wealthy spending is propping things up, but it is at risk of pulling back.
Snider argues the economy has become K-shaped. Premium and business travel have held up because wealthy consumers are still spending, supported by the stock market near record highs. Those at the bottom of the K cannot absorb higher costs, and airlines serving them are being squeezed. Once wealthy customers tighten their spending, they will cut airline and other discretionary purchases. The result would be a substantial downturn in spending, which would push businesses into bigger adjustments.
“as wealthy individuals start to spend less on airlines, they're also going be spending less on other discretionary forms as well.”at 18:05
Steve Van Metre · Steven Van Metre Financial
Strong retail sales headlines overstate consumer strength; the spending is narrow and gasoline-driven.
Van Metre argues that outsized retail sales prints are heavily skewed toward gasoline, yet Wall Street reads the headline as proof that consumers are resilient. He says the broader spending base is narrower than the headline suggests. Once consumers in the US and abroad start to pull back, credit spreads will start to matter, because bondholders will begin to doubt that debt gets repaid.
“Wall Street looks at the headline numbers. It's, look, everything's... okay. Consumers are spending. They're resilient.”at 19:15
US inflation
Jeff Snider · Atlas Financial
Market-implied long-run inflation fell sharply, so oil-driven inflation is expected to fade.
Short-run TIPS breakevens rose slightly, but not enough to signal inflation. The 10-year breakeven fell. The 5-year, 5-year forward rate fell 15 basis points on one day, one of the largest one-day declines since it began trading about 25 years ago. Snider reads this as the market expecting oil to lift near-term CPI but then break the economy, so inflation rises briefly and then falls.
“What that says is the marketplace is saying, yeah, oil prices go up in the short run and then they start breaking stuff over the longer term.”at 12:56
Oil & fuels
Jeff Snider · Atlas Financial
The oil-driven energy shock is starting to break the economy through demand destruction.
Snider argues that higher oil prices are raising fuel, shipping and production costs at a moment when consumers and businesses are least able to absorb them, and the shock is colliding with high debt, weaker demand and deteriorating credit. He says oil is the worst form of economic redistribution: spending at the gas pump does not make the economy better off, and the money flows to oil producers who buy Treasuries. He says markets are increasingly pricing this demand destruction. He describes the anecdotes as lining up with the evidence already in hand.
“oil prices are the worst form of economic redistribution. We spend more money at the gas pump and the economy isn't better off for it.”at 13:32
US jobs & labor market
Steve Van Metre · Steven Van Metre Financial
Energy-shock recessions may avoid mass layoffs, with attrition and buyouts doing the job.
Van Metre notes that prior recessions usually showed warning signs in job openings, wage growth and initial claims, and that these are largely absent now. He suggests this energy-shock downturn could be the first in a long time without mass layoffs. Instead, companies may shed expensive older employees through attrition and buyouts, then hire younger workers at lower pay. This would hide the weakness from unemployment statistics, though spending would still fall as wealth effects reverse.
“This could be the first one we've seen in a long time that we don't see mass layoffs unless something really significant breaks along the way.”at 14:55
US stock market outlook
Jeff Snider · Atlas Financial
If investment-grade spreads keep rising, the VIX climbs and stocks will not hold up.
Snider argues the stock market is tied to the credit cycle. Investment-grade spreads correlate strongly with the VIX. If investment-grade spreads, which have risen over the last couple of weeks, keep rising and converge with junk spreads, volatility will climb. Investors will sell and buy protection, and stocks will fail to hold up. He links this to the economic story: when wealthy consumers pull back spending, the downturn becomes real.
“that's where you start to see the stock market really run into trouble... Stocks are not going to hold up.”at 16:55
US growth & recession risk
Jeff Snider · Atlas Financial
The US economy looks fragile, not resilient, and recession probabilities are rising.
Snider argues the economy was never resilient and that artificial factors made it look so, especially since the Iran conflict began in late February. The bond market had been pricing rate cuts and weakness before the energy shock. Once businesses realize the economy is fragile, they move from small adjustments to bigger ones, and cutbacks spread from airlines to other industries. He says this uncertainty is the downside of the cycle emerging. The market is not certain of a downturn, but the probabilities are rising and prices reflect that.
“the more and more you see this resilience as an illusion... It looks resilient from a certain perspective, but if you shift your perspective a little bit, it suddenly doesn't look resilient. It looks fragile.”at 20:56
Topics
- airline demand destruction
- airline fuel pass-through
- bankruptcy risk from bond distress
- consumer spending
- credit spread contagion
- credit-driven selloff risk
- energy shock demand destruction
- high yield vs investment grade spreads
- inflation expectations
- layoffs and attrition
- recession risk
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