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Viewpoints with Burkhard Varnholt - A global markets podcast (Ep. 75)
With Burkhard Varnholt
Summary
Burkhard Varnholt of UBS discusses the European equity outlook, arguing that strong earnings momentum should persist and that European markets trade about a third below the US despite lower bond yields. He points to Europe's roughly 15% savings rate versus about 5% in the US as pent-up demand, and sees hope for political progress on capital markets union, banking union and deregulation, though he is unsure how much is talk versus action. He contends that growth is coming from the European periphery (Hungary, Romania, Greece, Poland, Spain), whose markets outperformed the S&P 500 over the four-year bull run while core Germany lagged, and that an energy-security and infrastructure investment boom is underway, largely politically driven. On France, he argues that street protests do not signal a eurozone crisis: the economy is diversified, debt maturities average about nine years, and roughly two-thirds of the recent spread widening reflects global yield moves, with the widening read as a healthy market signal to parliament.
Key takeaways
- Burkhard Varnholt on Europe's economy: Europe has a structural investment case, with growth and returns concentrated in its periphery.
- Burkhard Varnholt on Credit markets: France's recent spread widening is mostly global yields, not a eurozone crisis; markets are disciplining politics.
- Burkhard Varnholt on International equities: European stocks can keep their strong run, driven by earnings momentum, cheap valuations and possible reform.
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Europe's economy
Burkhard Varnholt · UBS
Europe has a structural investment case, with growth and returns concentrated in its periphery.
Based on travel in Europe's periphery and on market data, he argues Europe's growth is coming from the periphery rather than the core. Peripheral stock markets have outperformed the broader US market over the four-year bull run, while Germany, the core, lagged. He sees a structural investment boom building around energy security and infrastructure build-out. That boom is largely politically driven, and he says the trains have left the station. He also sees a productivity increase in Europe, smaller than in the US, that partly leverages US high-tech without the massive capex, so it is less capital-intensive.
“I think there's a structural investment case for Europe, but not necessarily where most people are looking.”at 3:53
Credit markets
Burkhard Varnholt · UBS
France's recent spread widening is mostly global yields, not a eurozone crisis; markets are disciplining politics.
Street protests should not be confused with a risk of France triggering the next eurozone crisis. France has a large, diversified economy with globally competitive champions in luxury, tech, defence and energy. Its government debt has average maturities of about nine years or more, so there is no liquidity problem, only a growing debt burden. France also has Europe's highest savings rate, about 19%, which is a backstop that could be tapped by lowering the high taxes on bond holdings. He estimates about two-thirds of the recent credit spread widening came from the global rise in bond yields rather than from news on French debt service. Moody's and S&P confirmed France's rating, and the ECB has not stepped in because it would not help. He reads the spread move as a healthy signal from markets to parliament.
“most of the bond spread increases, the credit spread increases of the recent weeks, we believe even about two thirds of this, was probably driven more by the global increase of bond yields”at 8:28
International equities
Burkhard Varnholt · UBS
European stocks can keep their strong run, driven by earnings momentum, cheap valuations and possible reform.
Earnings momentum in Europe has been strong and he expects it to stay strong. European markets are about a third cheaper than the US even though European bond yields are significantly lower than US yields. Europe's savings rate is about 15% versus about 5% in the US, which he reads as pent-up demand for future consumption or investment. He also sees hope for political change on the capital markets union, banking union, cutting red tape and competitiveness, though he is unsure how much is talk versus action. Background: European periphery markets such as Hungary, Romania, Greece, Poland and Spain roughly tripled or rose 130-250% over the four-year bull market, and the top seven outperformed the S&P 500, which he takes as evidence of fundamental improvement in European business and economics.
“Number one, we think earnings momentum has been strong and will continue to be strong, and that's what I see sense here.”at 9:41
Topics
- Europe's structural investment case
- European equities outlook
- French sovereign bond spreads
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