Merryn Talks Money · · 29 min
The Portfolio Reset: Episode 2
With Matt Levine, Michael Green, Paul Kearney, Simon Evan-Cook
Summary
Merryn Talks Money's 'The Portfolio Reset: Episode 2' examines how the growth of private markets and passive investing is reshaping how capital is allocated. Matt Levine uses the SpaceX IPO at roughly 100 times revenue to show why index inclusion is not neutral, since including it could hurt index investors even as missing a major company could hurt active ones, and he notes that much of the growth accrued to pre-IPO private holders. Levine also argues that private equity, now around a trillion dollars, behaves like a mass-produced index-style product rather than a source of superior returns. Paul Kearney adds that top private equity managers are largely locked up by large institutions, leaving retail investors less able to reach the best funds. Simon Evan-Cook and Michael Green contend that passive flows push prices up indiscriminately and, in Green's view, behave like an algorithmic active investor that buys on inflows and sells on outflows, distorting capital allocation.
Key takeaways
- Paul Kearney on Private markets for individual investors: Private clients struggle to access the top private equity returns that large institutions capture.
- Matt Levine on Private equity: Private equity's huge size has turned it into a mass-produced index-like product, not a source of best-company returns.
- Michael Green on Market sentiment, positioning & volatility: Passive funds are de facto active investors, deploying inflows continuously via the simplest possible algorithm.
- Simon Evan-Cook on Market sentiment, positioning & volatility: Passive inflows push up prices regardless of valuation, weakening the capitalist case for the stock market.
- Matt Levine (uncertain on Space Exploration Technologies): SpaceX's IPO at about 100x revenue is a giant valuation, forcing index providers into judgment calls.
What was said, by company and theme
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Space Exploration Technologies
Across the shows: 17 speakers in other episodes, 12 bullish and 5 bearish calls, past 30 days
Matt Levine · BloombergUncertain
SpaceX's IPO at about 100x revenue is a giant valuation, forcing index providers into judgment calls.
SpaceX listed at a valuation of about 100 times revenue, which Levine uses to show why index inclusion is not neutral. Some argue leaving it out means missing a valuable company, while others argue including it at this inflated valuation will push it down and hurt index investors. He also notes that much of the growth before the IPO accrued to private investors. The company could grow into a much larger valuation, so buyers right after the IPO might do well, but the entry price is already high. Levine presents both sides and does not commit to a direction, so the stance is uncertain.
“Right? And so you have SpaceX going public at a giant valuation that's 100 times revenue.”at 19:43
Market sentiment, positioning & volatility
Michael Green · Tier1 Alpha Asset Management
Passive funds are de facto active investors, deploying inflows continuously via the simplest possible algorithm.
Green argues that passive funds are not truly passive. They receive cash inflows every day and must reinvest that cash in the index's proportions, which creates additional buying flows. Because the reinvestment happens continuously, passive funds act as active investors. They just follow the simplest algorithm: buy when cash comes in and sell when cash goes out. This explains why passive investing may be distorting capital allocation across markets.
“They are always active investors because they are deploying capital continuously. They're just active investors that operate off of the world's simplest algorithm.”at 13:27
Simon Evan-Cook · Downing Fund Managers
Passive inflows push up prices regardless of valuation, weakening the capitalist case for the stock market.
Evan-Cook argues that money entering the market through passive funds is not concerned about what it buys. It pushes up the prices of whatever is in the index, whether those stocks are cheap or expensive and possibly overvalued. Passive investing started as a small part of the market, and Jack Bogle said it works only when most investors make active decisions. Evan-Cook says passive flows now drive the market, so the question is who is driving it. He argues that when no one looks at balance sheets, debt or management quality, the case for capitalism, which the stock market is supposed to embody, is weakened.
“If you've got money coming into the market and it is not particularly worried about what it's buying, it will push up the price of the things that it's buying. And that's regardless of whether these things are cheap and worth buying or expensive and possibly overvalued.”at 14:29
Private markets for individual investors
Paul Kearney · Asset Risk Consultants
Private clients struggle to access the top private equity returns that large institutions capture.
Kearney says the private equity space is dominated by large institutional players that have backed the most successful firms for decades. Those institutions have access to the best managers, so individual investors cannot easily earn the same returns. He makes this point in the context of private equity dispersion: top managers are excellent, but weaker ones can underperform, and retail investors are less likely to reach the top funds.
“The private equity space is dominated by large institutional players that have been backing the most successful firms for decades. It's very difficult for private clients to get that same type of return.”at 8:02
Private equity
Matt Levine · Bloomberg
Private equity's huge size has turned it into a mass-produced index-like product, not a source of best-company returns.
When private equity was about 1% of listed equities, buyout funds could target the most poorly managed companies with weak capital structures and earn huge returns from fixing them. At around a trillion dollars, private equity behaves like a competitor to an index fund. It buys a broad set of companies in a slightly different way. Private equity argues its incentives and capital structures should produce higher returns, but Levine says that is not clear. Investors end up with a mass-produced beta-like product rather than the best companies or the best buyout firms.
“When private equity is like a trillion dollars, it's like a competitor to an index fund. You're kind of buying every company... And what you're not getting is the best companies or even the best buyout firms. You're getting sort of like a mass produced beta like product.”at 9:56
Across the shows
What other episodes Chorus covered said about the same companies in the 30 days up to this one.
- Space Exploration Technologies17 speakers · 12 bullish, 5 bearish calls
Topics
- PE returns at scale
- SpaceX IPO valuation
- passive fund flows
- retail access to PE funds
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